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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:40 am

aiya. obyron doesn't join him ar? then tak boleh la this list.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:14 am

Necrons are the army to beat currently. Its cheeziness is such that if it falls in the wrong hand, such as mine, it'll become an obscenely OP army.

Fortunately the coming tournament is capped at 1500-pts, thus making the size of most Necrons army quite small.

Personally, I haven't even managed to win against any Necrons so far. Hopefully my Eldar can do better & give any Necrons out there a run for their money.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:36 am

you trying to add fire to the situation is it?

unfortunately you are wrong. i had my destroyer list vs pax's DE. lost to him. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:38 am

The recent FAQ boost us as well as nerf some of our core rules.
For example, now if our unit failed morale check and flee, no Reanimation/Everliving can be made. Last time only the unit was wiped out, Everliving counter stay for RP.

So as always, beat us in CC lah.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:50 am

regarding the Obyron's special rule, is still being debated whether it joins the unit or not when being called. So maybe can still work out (if the opponent okay with it). Smile


coz it doesn't make sense if obyron is not in the same unit with nemesor. Example when challenges issued to nemesor unit, that would not allow obyron as his bodyguard to accept it if he is treated as another unit right?
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:45 am

Debated or not, the rules is very clear on IC joining a unit --> it can only be done in the movement phase. Once shots are fired and blows are strucked, it is too late already. So the unswer is a clear NO, unless it was FAQed somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:49 am

that's the thing is debatable because codex rules triumph over rule book. it is on the codex rules that are in doubt where RAW and RAI is being discussed here.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:55 am

If they are in the same combat Obyron can still accept the challenge in place of Nemesor even if they are a different unit because the controlling player gets to choose which character in combat accepts the challenge.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:58 am

then i better not play this list to avoid further arguments la. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:11 am

It's not wrong to play the list. I play Obyron and Nemessor all the time and has no problem wat. Just cannot do that ninja move lah Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:15 am

shaun wrote:
If they are in the same combat Obyron can still accept the challenge in place of Nemesor even if they are a different unit because the controlling player gets to choose which character in combat accepts the challenge.

Exactly! One thing not a lot of people realise (GW didn't help with their overly-dramatic example), is that you only open a challenge - it is up to your opponent who accepts. So it's important to note who is a character and eligible to accept challenges.

For example, when Alvin's Archon + Wyches charged into my Assault Squad + Priest, he didn't realise that the Sergeant was also a character and could accept challenges in place of the Priest (he challenged in the hopes of Soul-trapping the Priest).
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:19 pm

Can the Crypteks accept challenges? They are like the SW's Wolf Guards, aren't they?

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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:35 pm

They can.. Only Paladins, Wolfguard and Nobz are FAQed to be none-character (unless they are leader of a unit)
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:28 am

How about this Nemesor/Obyron list (got 3 troops)?

Or the other list with 2 blocks of big 20 warriors is better?


- Nemesor
- 1 Abyssal Cryptek with Veil of Darkness (allow unit to move by deepstrike)
- 10 Tesla Immortals

- Obyron
- Overlord with Warscythe, Res Orb, Mindshackle Scarabs, Weave
- 2 Voltaic Crypteks with Lightning Field (causes 2D6 S8 AP5 to enemy assaulting unit)
- 20 Warriors

- 5 Warriors
- 2 Lance Crypteks (two 36" S8 AP2 shots)
on Ghost Ark

- Annihilation Barge
- Annihilation Barge


Total: 1495 points
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:40 am

Remind me again please how many MSS are there in the list? Why don't you give it a try?
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:27 am

The list can work.. But that Zahndrekh unit is too weak against combat. You might want to consider MSS Lord in there.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:34 am

no points dy. Sad

what you suggest to take out for a MSS lord?
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:45 am

The Ghost Ark? You like it so much?
Or the LanceTek maybe. Dont think your list need any.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:47 am

Ghost Ark used for replenish the 20 warriors squad wan. Smile

hmmm... maybe the LanceTek. Let me redo the list again. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:49 am

Okay, removed the Lanceteks and added a Lord. Better? Smile


- Nemesor
- 1 Abyssal Cryptek with Veil of Darkness (allow unit to move by deepstrike)
- 1 Lord with Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Weave
- 10 Tesla Immortals

- Obyron
- Overlord with Warscythe, Res Orb, Mindshackle Scarabs, Weave
- 2 Voltaic Crypteks with Lightning Field (causes 2D6 S8 AP5 to enemy assaulting unit)
- 20 Warriors

- 5 Warriors
on Ghost Ark

- Annihilation Barge
- Annihilation Barge


Total: 1500 points
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:15 am

Looks better now (at least to me lar). But I'd tweak the list like this (changes in orange):

- Nemesor
- 1 Abyssal Cryptek with Veil of Darkness (allow unit to move by deepstrike)
- 1 Lord with Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Weave
- 10 Gauss Immortals

Obyron
- Overlord with Warscythe, Res Orb, Mindshackle Scarabs, Weave
- 2 Voltaic Crypteks with Lightning Field (causes 2D6 S8 AP5 to enemy assaulting unit)
- 20 Warriors

10 Tesla Immortals <-- if can find points for VoDTek for this unit is much better.

- Annihilation Barge
- Annihilation Barge

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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:55 am

I'll think I'll change to this. At least have a Triarch Stalker providing support to the army with it's twin link ability. Smile

- Nemesor
- 1 Abyssal Cryptek with Veil of Darkness (allow unit to move by deepstrike)
- 1 Lord with Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Weave
- 10 Tesla Immortals

- Obyron
- Overlord with Warscythe, Res Orb, Mindshackle Scarabs, Weave, Phaseshifter
- 2 Voltaic Crypteks with Lightning Field (causes 2D6 S8 AP5 to enemy assaulting unit)
- 20 Warriors

- 1 Triarch Stalker

- Annihilation Barge
- Annihilation Barge


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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:05 am

Yup.. good also. 40 TL Gauss Rifle is going to hurt. I remember killing 8 Grey Knights in a single volley, and that is without TL hahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:04 am

Tried my Destroyers list against BLee's Space Marines last weekend:

- Overlord with Warscythe, Weave
- 2 Canoptek Spyders
- Destroyer Lord with MSS, Weave
- 4 Canoptek Scarabs
- 5 Lance Crypteks in Ghost Ark
- 5 Warriors
- 5 Warriors
- 5 Warriors
- 5 Destroyers
- 5 Destroyers

- 1 Annihilation Barge
- 1 Annihilation Barge

His army:

- Librarianè Termi Armour; Force Axel; Storm Shield [Gate + Avenger]
- 10 Terminator with Sgt: Power Sword; Cyclone x2; Chainfist x2
- Captain, Relic Blade, Artificial Armor
- 10 Tac Sqd with Sgt: Lightning Claw; Melta Gun; Multi Melta
- Drop pod with tele homer
- 10 Tac Sqd with Sgt: Flamer; Lascannon
- Aegis Defense Line
- 5 Scouts with snipers
- 1 Thunderfire Cannon

Mission was Scouring (FA can score). Deployment was Dawn of War.
The battle was hard fought as the termies managed to reach the Necron's gunline in turn 2.
Units after units of Necrons were sent to tie up the termies. In the end, the marines were wiped out in turn 5 but not without a price.
The Necrons suffered heavy casualties on that day.



Thoughts and analysis:
- Destroyers are awesome. 1 squad wiped out 5 marines in 5+ cover in 1 volley of fire. The other squad of Destroyers were pinning another 5 marines behind the defense line as they move in closer for 3 rounds.
- Destroyer Lord and 6 scarabs finally managed to take down the Captain with 5 marines with Sgt after 6 rounds of combat. lol. (maybe should stick him with wraiths is much better)
- Had problem dealing with big squad of termies. He dropped his pod on 1st turn behind my lines then on 2nd turn the librarian casted gate which teleport his 10 termies into my line. So it was pretty tough getting pass those many 2+ armors.
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PostSubject: Re: Necron Dynasty of DOOOM!!!   Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:33 am

That sounds like a tough fight. Great win for you Smile
How was the new Prefered Enemy rules on Destroyer Lord. Good?
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