CSM Night Lord 1750 List

HQ
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Daemon Prince
Daemon of Tzeentch,Wings,Power Armor,Black Mace,Dimensional Key


Troops
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Chaos Space Marine (10x including AC)
Lascannon,Veteran of Long War
AC - Gift Of mutation, power weapon, combi bolter

Chaos Space Marine (10x including AC)
Lascannon
AC - power weapon


Fast
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Heldrake (hadecannon)

Heldrake (hadecannon)

Raptors (5x including AC)
Mark of Nurgle, 2 x Melta


Elites
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Helbrute
power scourge, Twin-Linked Lascannon

Terminator (5x including AC)
Mark of Khorne,Veteran of Long War,powerfist x 4,Heavy Flamer
Champ-Gift,2 x power weapon


Heavy
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Havoc
4 x Autocannon

Havoc
4 x Autocannon


- Not sure how well does troop choice fare without metal boxes
- Doesn't feel comfortable with the touch-and-die cultist, but if current list doesn't go far, will swap one squad of CSM for three blob of cultist (manyak need to paint!)
- Will try out both hadecannon and baleflamer on drake and then finally decide which one to go
- Just realize Aspiring Champ must issue and accept challenge, so kit up most of them
- Two power maul or two power axe for termi champ?
- It seems like this is yet another one year long painting project...LOL

List for Legio Army Throwdown I, basically same as above, added in one unit of oblits to bump up to 2k

HQ
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Daemon Prince (Assembled, primed, unpainted)
Daemon of Tzeentch, Wings, Power Armor, Black Mace, Dimensional Key



Troops
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Chaos Space Marine (10x inc AC) (two model assembled and primed)
Lascannon, Veteran of Long War
Champ:
Gift Of mutation, power weapon, combi bolter


Chaos Space Marine (10x inc AC) (painted)
Lascannon
AC
power weapon


Fast
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Heldrake (hadecannon) (assembled, primed, unpainted)

Heldrake (baleflamer) (assembled, primed, unpainted)

Raptors (5x inc AC) (three model painted, remaining primed)
Mark of Nurgle, 2 x Melta




Elites
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Helbrute (painted)
power scourge,Twin-Linked Lascannon



Terminator (5x inc AC) (one model painted, other primed)
Mark of Khorne,Vateran of Long War,powerfist x 4,Heavy Flamer
Champ
Gift of Mutation, 2 x power weapon



Heavy
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Havoc (one partially painted, other primed)
4 x Autocannon

Havoc (assembled, primed)
4 x Autocannon

3 x Obliterators (not even purchase yet)
Mark of Nurgle, Veteran of Long War

Your Night Lords is well painted bro. If you can find points, give the CSM a Special Weapons. Plasmaguns would be good with the 24inch range since they looks like a camper.

LordAK wrote:

Your Night Lords is well painted bro. If you can find points, give the CSM a Special Weapons. Plasmaguns would be good with the 24inch range since they looks like a camper.

I'm going to bring my NL out for a spin over coming weekend, will try to see how far does the current camper setup goes,
was thinking most of the time if kena assault, I could issue a challange, that is the reason no plasma/melta/flamer is given to them.

Also would like to try out how good is dimensional key for DP, if it sucks, I will drop the key and use the point to get some gear for the boys.

helldrakes best go with baleflamer bro!

better to take burning brand over black mace for your DP so that you can get confirm get 1 kill on 1st turn making your 2nd turn able to deepstrike with precision.

Dr-DOOOM!!! wrote:

helldrakes best go with baleflamer bro!

better to take burning brand over black mace for your DP so that you can get confirm get 1 kill on 1st turn making your 2nd turn able to deepstrike with precision.

yes about baleflamer, but sadly I model one of the heldrake(the farting one =P) with hadecannon dy, well, on the bright side, I could used some anti air. The 1750 list did lacking some template/blast weapon, I have to admit.

Regarding the Dimensional Key, it will only be activate if "kill any model on fight sub phase", I think the trick is to make a successful assault on my first turn (chant : hakim better not reading this, hakim better not reading this, hakim better assault my DP, hakim better stay still and let my DP assault), a DP will do good with or without the burning brand if he manage to get into cc I guess.

oooo... on the fight phase ah? then is a bit pity. lol
then hope you can pull that off.

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was thinking most of the time if kena assault, I could issue a challange, that is the reason no plasma/melta/flamer is given to them.

I really dont understand this hahaha

LordAK wrote:

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was thinking most of the time if kena assault, I could issue a challange, that is the reason no plasma/melta/flamer is given to them.

I really dont understand this hahaha

Errr... I mean most of the time those two units of troops will hide behind cover at table edge (like a true Night Lord) and keep shooting that perky little lascannon, I think the threat actually comes from anything that can deepstrike/outflank and get to them up-close (my squad dont even have extra cc), if this is the scenario, I could always try to overwatch and then use the champ to issue a challange (finger cross there is a character in the unit that assault me =p), plus, my helbrute with power scourge will be babysitting them too =)

If the enemy is shooting from afar, it just a matter of pissing contest to see who can pour out more firepower at range and have better dice luck =P I'm pretty confident with those two squad of Havoc (don't disappoint me, boys...)

All of above is theoryhammer, I might miss something, still zero 6ed game under my belt If all else fail, I could do what I always do : foolishly grin and scratching my head, hope for the best and learn from the (painful) lesson, muahahahahahahaha

Don't think that will work, but yup, everyone has their own way to handle things

Played one and half game today =P

Game one : Kena turn two T.A... I don't even have chance to roll my reserve Bad dice roll and even more bad deployment =P

Game 1.5 : Tie, sort of, kind of... the game is cut short on turn two oso =P but this time around the Havoc did their job admirably. Also learn that Heldrake flaming termi = no use at all..LOL

Need some advice from chaosy sifu-sifus : normally how do you guys play your winged cc Daemon Prince? I learn that charging headlong on first turn is a *huge* mistake.. shall I keep him in reserve and come out later?

ps: Khairul, if you see this, mind PM me your contact so we can arrange a game next week?

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Also learn that Heldrake flaming termi = no use at all..LOL

How to play daemon prince? 1st turn swooping. Go into LOS blocking terrain. Then do what they do best --> assault.

Also learn that Heldrake flaming termi = no use at all..LOL <-- i did this because I was greedy and wanted to vector strike one unit in the path, after landed I just realize that the only available target is termis =P bad decision

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How to play daemon prince? 1st turn swooping. Go into LOS blocking terrain. Then do what they do best --> assault.

So, looks like first turn assault is almost impossible... its better to drop the dimensional key I guess...

But I would keep the key for another few games and see how it fare for the deep strike on turn 3... also, the difficult and dangerous terrain effect looks kinda good for snaring units in a dense area

Am thinking maybe should swap daemon prince for either:

Chaos Lord
Termi Armor, Black Mace, Burning Brand, Sigil of Corruption, Dimensional Key, Mark Of Tzeentch (for 3+ invul, or Mark of Nurgle to avoid instant death from s8 weapon), Gift of Mutation, Veteran of Long War

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Chaos Lord
Power Armor, Black Mace, Jump Pack, Sigil, MoT (or MoN)

plus

Chaos Sorcerer
Lv2 Mastery, termi armor, spell familiar


The first beefy termi lord load out is slightly less than my current DP load out, with a dimensional key to remove, more point can be saturate to normal unit for upgrade (am thinking the two squad of vanilla CSM will have plasma gun or extra cc, with a full VolW and Gift of Mutation upgrade)

The second option adds more dimension to the army by adding a sorcerer

You can't take 2 chaos relics - the mace and the key are relics it's either or

pax, actually you can. check on the page where you have the wargears and points listed. there is a small number 3 beside the key. then check at the bottom of the page. it says it doesn't replace the weapon of the character is carrying.

If you really fancy the Black Mace, then take it only on DPs. But the DP should never be your main character. Which means, always have another Character to lead your army.

@Pax, Joe : I'm abit confuse on this also, on pg 69 of CSM dex, it reads "Only one of each of the following artefects may be chosen per army - there is only one of each of these items in the galaxy!", which could be interpret as :

1.) Only one artefect can be use per army (only black mace, and no other)
or
2.) No two same artefect can be choose for the army (no two black mace)

Thought?

@LordAK : yahor, should built another cheaper HQ and just camp with the CSM at the objective

On the relic:
i. each relic can only be taken once per army.
ii. a character can have as many Relic as they can, but a Relic that also count as a weapon can only be taken as replacement to existing weapon(s) that a character has in his profile.
Simple jer..