Resurrecting Iron Warriors

I wonder what kind of transition I can have from my old Iron Warriors to the current Chaos Codex.

What I had previously in my 1500pts Iron Warriors (moreor less, I can't remember them all);
HQ
Daemon Prince - Dread Axe (ignore invul sv), move as Cavalry, +1A, 3+/5++, Furious charge, Move through cover, Bionics

TROOPS
1. Iron Warriors sqd - 10 men, 1 lascannon, 1 meltagun, Champ with power fist, infiltrators

2. Iron Warriors sqd - 10 men, 1 lascannon, 1 meltagun, Champ with power fist, infiltrators

ELITES
1. 2 Oblits

2. 2 Oblits

HEAVY SUPPORTS
1. Basilisk

2. Havoc Sqd - 6-men, 4 Heavy Bolters, Infiltrators

3. Havoc Sqd - 5-men, 3 Missile Launchers, Tank Hunters

4. Havoc Sqd - 5-men, 3 Missile Launchers, Tank Hunters


So, any ideas how to evolve the army?

Evolve in which sense; fluff or power?

By the way, how did you get the Basilisk in your list?

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By the way, how did you get the Basilisk in your list?

That my friend.. is the beauty of 3.5 codex. All Undivided Legion got their own specific rules. For Iron Warriors:
- 4 Heavies (including some IG tanks)
- more than one unit of Oblits. They are 0-1 options for other Undivided Ligions, and just 0 for God Specific Legions (The reason I dont play Oblits in my pure WE)

As for Dins trouble:
i. Take Huron for Warlord coz I remember your IW loves infiltrate back in 3.5
ii. a Warpsmith --> Shatter Defense is so IW
iii. Dont take Havocs for Heavies. Take 2x3 Oblits instead since they are IW specialties aniway. The last heavy slot, I'd happily take a Vindicator or Defiler
iv. Troops - 2/3 x Full 10 man unit with 2 Special Weapons in Rhino with HavocML
v. Aegis with Quadgun for anti-fliers

How is that for start?

technically boleh bro,

pakai allies, but point size kena naik to get two rosters...

i would love to fight the old IW again...

I remembered the only legion that allowed you to you anything without restrictions was Black legion everything else had limitations like deathguard got no raptors, Night lords lost 2 heavy slots for 1 extra fast attack slot etc...

But that dex is bit too op la.. you could charge your summoned daemons in the same turn...

How about this then?

Huron
1 Warpsmith
3 Vindicators
3x10 Terminators
1 max squad of 'shooty' cultists
2x20 normal CSM

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pakai allies,

Bro Pax.. you're a Genius! IG allies are so fitting with IW!

Well, thanks guys. My biggest prob is not havin da codex yet & have to rely on other sources for info.

Now I have some ideas where to go for my new Iron Warriors. The 'old' IW were chaos undivided, but i believe taking MoTz is ok for IW since they are in essence tinkering & 'upgrading' their flesh with iron-metal.

I remember reading the IW novels about the Warsmith Honsou, how his predecessor being elevated into DP status, about his fellow IW Warsmith rivals using superior magical powers/energies..thus the transition will be both in the fluff, theme & competitivenss.

So maybe:
1. either 1 FDP (must be robotic-looking daemons) or 1 Warpsmith - with Motz & BBoS

2. some Obliterators (trademark IW units) - I remembered having 6 of these..somewhere..

3. some sort of Fortification (hey..its IW specialty what i.e siege specialist!!) - so either ADL or Bastion

4. basic Troops - maybe 1/2 unit(s) of Chaos Marines & 1 unit of cheepo Cultists

5. 1 Helldrake (1 is enuf la..tak mau OP sangat) - the newest pinnacle of IW techno-sorceries invention!!

6. some mechanized elements - either pred, rhinos or vindie

7. IG ally maybe at 1750pts, but i was actually more keen towards Necron to keep in line with my Robo-Cult theme.


P.S: Huron is a good choice cuz he gives Infiltrate USR - something that my previous IW enjoyed in abundance. But I don't know, painting Huron in boltgun metal + chevrons?? Buleh ke?

Following AK's advices, here is my 1st take for my new Iron Warriors;

HQ
1. Daemon Prince: Wings, Armour, Gift of Mutation (a.k.a cybernetic upgrades), Burning Brand of Skalatrax

TROOPS
1. 10 IW Chaos Marines: Bolters, 2 Plasmaguns, 1 Combi-Plasma
Transport: Chaos Rhino + Havoc Launcher

2. 6 IW Chaos Marines: Bolters, 1 Meltagun, 1 Combi-Melta
Transport: Chaos Rhino + Havoc Launcher

3. 10 Iron-Cultists: Autoguns, 1 Heavy Stubber

FAST ATTACK
1. Helldrake: Baleflamer

HEAVY SUPPORTS
1. 3 Obliterators

2. 3 Obliterators

3. 6 Havocs: 4 Autocannons

FORTIFICATION
1. Bastion: Quad-Guns

TOTAL = 1500pts

p.s: as you can see, no marks of chaos anywhere!!

My vision of IW is all about shooting so might be different from yours.
Small in numbers, but heavy in firepower. 0-1 FA only.
This I what I'd tweak from the list.

HQ
Warpsmith, Burning Brand, Aura
OR
Huron

TROOPS
5 Iron Warriors - Plasmagun, CombiPlasma (Rhino with CombiPlasma, Havoc)
5 Iron Warriors - Plasmagun, CombiPlasma (Rhino with CombiPlasma, Havoc)

HEAVY
3 Oblits - Bionic (MoNurgle)
3 Oblits - Bionic (MoNurgle)
Vindicator with CombiBolter and Posession

FORT
ADL with Quadgun

That stops at 1,100+ pts. Next:

IG ally detachment
- cheapest HQ
- cheapest scoring <-- use your Cultist model here
- Some pie plates

Now that should look like IW.

I think using marks but calling it something else is ok tbh, like AK mark of nurgle on the oblits can call it bionics or some daemonic nano bots that toughen up normal oblits.

There's nothing wrong if you ask me. They are T4(5) back in 3.5 aniway.

Tak cukup pts la Pax ..1500pt list is too small. Maybe i'll take some marks of chaos in 1750pts.

So, how's my 1st IW list..balanced? I did strive not to be too OP about it & try to be as fluffy & thematic as possible.

Well, here is my 2nd IW list incorporating IG detachment, but no Fortification though ..The fluff? The Iron-Cult has infiltrated & established control over a major part of the local Planetary Defense Force (PDF). Now they have openly proclaimed their heretical worship towards the ungodly Daemon Prince Iron Mai-Din, the Forgeworld Sri Hartamas has been plunged into war!!

IW Detachment
HQ
1. Daemon Prince: Wings, Armour, Gift of Mutation (a.k.a cybernetic upgrades), Burning Brand of Skalatrax

TROOPS
1. 10 Iron-Cultists: Autoguns

2. 10 Iron-Cultists: Autoguns

FAST ATTACK
1. Helldrake: Baleflamer

HEAVY SUPPORTS
1. Predator: Autocannon, Sponsons Lascannons

2. Predator: Autocannon, Sponsons Lascannons

3. Predator: Autocannon, Sponsons Lascannons


IG Detachment
HQ
1. Iron-Company Command Squad: 4 Meltaguns

TROOP
1. Iron-Veteran Squad: Lasguns, 3 Meltaguns

FAST ATTACK
1. Iron-Vendetta Squadron: 2 Vendettas with 6 Lascannons, Sponsons Heavy Bolters

HEAVY SUPPORT
1. Iron Manticore Missile Battery: Storm Eagle Rockets


TOTAL = 1500pts

Where's the Iron Warriors?

Erm..the DP?

Try not to include any FA if you can. or at least limit to 0-1 lah.
Not because you cant, but because that is not their favourite means.

IW went home to lepak let the minions do the hard work

Here is my 3rd list, but the role has been reversed. IG has become Primary while IW has become Secondary. To infiltrate the PDF is not easy, thus the IW has sent only a small cult detachment to infiltrate & influence the local planetary defense system.

Primary Detachment - Traitor IG
HQ
1. Iron-Cult Company Command Squad: 4 Flamers

TROOP
1. Iron-Cult Veteran Squad: Lasguns, 3 Meltaguns - Transport: Chimera
with turret Multilaser & hull Heavy Bolter

2. Iron-Cult Veteran Squad: Lasguns, 3 Plasmaguns

FAST ATTACK
1. Iron-Cult Vendetta Squadron: 2 Vendettas with 6 Lascannons

HEAVY SUPPORT
1. Iron-Cult Manticore Missile Battery: Storm Eagle Rockets

2. Iron-Cult Leman Russ Battle Tank: Turret Battle Cannon, hull Heavy Bolter, sponsons Plasma Cannons

3. Iron-Cult Leman Russ Battle Tank: Turret Battle Cannon, hull Heavy Bolter, sponsons Plasma Cannons


Secondary Detachment - IW
HQ
1. IW Lord: Sigil of Curruption, IW Bike, Burning Brand of Skalatrax, Bolt Pistol, Power Axe, Cybernetic Implants (Gift of Mutation), Advance IW NanoTech-Sorcery (Mark of Tz), VoTL

TROOP
1. IW Cultists: 10 Cultists with Autoguns

HEAVY SUPPORT
1. IW Havocs: 5 Havocs with 4 Autocannons


TOTAL = 1500pts

IW is fun because of the siege theme. I prefer 1750 lists and that would fit the IW better. I would go for IW lord, warp smith. CSM on foot w ML or las cannons. No FA because IW got no time for such things. Vindicator, defiler. Maybe 2 vindicators. IG detachment w min hq but attached max mortars. IG platoon w max mortars. Basilisk (manticore s10 but basilisk looks more like a siege engine). Bastions and fortifications definitely work w IW. No marks.

Well, the old rules for IW were:-

1. Options for taking a Warsmith with servo-arm (not Warp Smith mind you)
2. 0-3 units of Obliterators from the Elite choice
3. 0-4 units of Heavy Supports
4. 0-1 unit of Basilisk as one of the Heavy Support choice
5. 0-1 unit of Fast Attack

I'd definitely try to adhere to these rules somehow, but the Oblits are too expensive for my liking. Giving them MoN will make them even more expensive!

Here is my 4th attempt in building an ideal list for my IW legion:-

Iron Warriors Detachment
HQ
1. Daemon Prince: Wings, Armour, Gift of Mutation (a.k.a cybernetic upgrades), Burning Brand of Skalatrax, NanoTech-Sorcery Advance Forcefield (Mark of Tzeentch)

TROOPS
1. 5 IW Chaos Marines: Bolters, 1 Meltagun, Transport: Chaos Rhino with Combi-Bolters & Havoc Launcher

2. 10 Iron-Cultists: Autoguns - will hijack the Havocs' Chaos Rhino

ELITE
1. IW Hellbrute: not sure what combo that I can get at 150pts (fluff-wise it is an Obliterator which has been engineered & upgraded into a Hellbrute)

HEAVY SUPPORTS
1. 5 IW Chaos Havocs: 4 Autocannons, Transport: Chaos Rhino with Combi-Bolters & Havoc Launcher

2. Predator: Autocannon, Sponsons Lascannons

3. Predator: Autocannon, Sponsons Lascannons


Traitor-Guards Detachment
HQ
1. Traitor Company Command Squad: Commander & 4 Veterans, 4 Flamers - will embark on the Vendetta

TROOP
1. Traitor Veteran Squad: Lasguns, 3 Flamers, Transport: Chimera with turret Multi Laser & hull Heavy Bolter

FAST ATTACK
1. 1 Traitor Vendetta Gunship: 3 T/L Lascannons

HEAVY SUPPORT
1. 1 Traitor Leman Russ Battle Tank: Turret Battle Cannon, hull Heavy Bolter, sponsons Plasma Cannons


TOTAL = 1499pts

Notes:-
1. Like AK has commented, I need to put some 'actual' IW models/units in my list. So here in this list I've included some IW Chaos Marines/Havocs to represents the IW Legion.

The rest of the IW detachments will be painted in the IW colour scheme, even the DP, though I'd have to either etch a Tz rune/mark to one of his shoulders or get some sort of banner or standard to represent the MoTz.

2. Since IW has very few Fast Attack element, I opted for the Vendetta instead of the Helldrake due to its practicality as my anti-air specialist. Normally I'd prefer to take 2 Vendettas, but then I wouldn't be able to include the Hellbrute in the list.

3. Regarding the Hellbrute, since I haven't got the codex from AK, I'm still not sure what config that I'd give to it. Any good suggestions?