Joe Soon - The Chose One

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Hail Joe Soon! The Legio Malaysia 2012 year end tournament winner!
The Chosen One!!!
Warlord Joe, leading his extreme chaos demons force easily, without even breaking a sweat, swept away all pretenders before him. Heads were lopped, limbs severed, guts sliced open, blood flowed like monsoon rain...until at the very end only Joe stood with an evil grin. A very big congratulation to The Chosen One. May 2013 bring you more victories.

Joining Joe on the winners list are Faizal Sani, who grabbed the best painted award for his very nicely painted Space Wolves and Hassanal, who walked away with the Sportsmanship award.
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Legio Malaysia would like to thank everyone who participated.
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pecial thanks to the Battlefront Miniatures Malaysia staff; Shukor, Rizal and Tarmizi for helping out. Arzmi who had to be the ringer with all the early and last minute work came up cancellations . Also a shout out to Cheng for the food.

Thank you everyone. Hope you had fun.
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yay! i improved a lot on my sportsmanship (score 6 out of 9) despite winning the cheesiest player. not bad! lolz

they must have like my cheeeeeze........

Erm..Bos Khairul, I think there's a mistake there in the result. I won my 3rd match against Jinn Wei's Black Templar..maybe both of us (Jinn & me) filled-in the score sheet incorrectly.

Our 3rd match score should be me 17 while Jinn 6.

huge congratulations [from arzmi] and no congratulations at all [from GK and the inquisition] to daemon lord Joe !!!

truly well deserved and considering i hover on joe's table a lot i have to say the dude has become immensely loveable !! I contribute his new loving personality to his new found partner; 40k rules is not everything lol.

also i gotta love his relationship-gut. i remember joe joking with me 'bro, baru kahwin 1 tahun dah ada perut !!'...whooops lol you're not even married and it's already close to my size !!! yeee haaaww. am glad you are having a happy life broski.

man Joe deserves to be called the CHOSEN ONE of 2012 !!

ps:cikgu - dude who cares about win/loss ?? you got 6 for sportsmanship man !! should be like joe and be damn proud of that !!

yea.... i think when i get married for 1 year. i'll reach Jeff's level of relationship-gut man. lol

GUT FOR THE GUT LORD!

get married quick joe

no-effing-way! I did so well? I thought I performed badly! o.O

I'm damn well happy with the result. Who would have thought my friendly Necrons would grab that spot? Glad my painting shared the highest score with the winner. Dont really care about the SP anymore.

@Dann : I was suprised too.. the way you mentioned your game was all dark and gloom hahaha..

@Arzmi : Well.. Din care It's a tourney after all. No matter the intention, be it pure fun or competitive, everyone would like to see their army in good standing overall.

@Joe : Again.. Congratulation bro

hahaha.. thanks Kadir. again, i was just lucky only didn't meet you guys on the earlier rounds.

aiya... was hoping my painting score also as high as yours wan. but i guess Alvin got too bored seeing my Daemons at his shop. lol

Congrats to all, and especially to the Chosen One! Well done guys!

@joe: Congrats for being The Chee-sen One May you roll '1's on your re-rolls against me

@cikgudin: If you noticed, in all Legio tournaments, there are two sheets of paper (result sheet) that you & your opponent have to fill in after each game. Both of you have the obligation to check those results sheets before you submit to the organisers. If both of you entered the results wrongly, than you gotta accept the results, whatever they are.

Cheer up dude, lesson learnt & something that you should remember of in future tournaments

Some rants.

Even after 5 months, it seems that many of the players in the tourney aren't well verse with the core rules of 6th Ed. In result, they dont know what to expect, how to react, what can be done, what can't be and much more.

Just some of the mistakes:
i. Units that went to Ongoing Reserves alway re-enter play in the next turn without having to roll 3+ to arrive, even if the next turn is turn 2 or 3, where you normally have to roll.
ii. When to cast Psychic Powers.
iii. Charging sequence is : nominate 1 unit (not 2 or 3 units) --> declare target --> defenders react --> roll distance --> move chargers. Then only you nominate the next unit and follow the sequence.
iv. Piling (Close Combat) doesn't happen at the start of close combat, only at initiative steps.
v. Whip Coils, MSS, Lash Whip or any wargear that takes affect at the start of combat only counts at the beginning of combat. They have no further effect when you pile into base contact at models initiative step. But will again takes effect at the start of every ensuing close combat sub-phase if the combat continues.
vi. You no longer allocate wounds based on wargear/profile but armour/cover/invul save.
vii. Succesfull "Look Out Sir" always go to the closest model to the Character.
viii. Infantry can only move 6
ix. We have to roll 2D6 and choose the highest when disembarking into terrain.
x. Only infiltrators cannot charge in the 1st turn. Any unit deployed normaly can charge in the 1st turn if the enemy is stupid enough to deploy within charging distance.

Some are willing to listen and learn from their mistake, which is good. But some.. Suddenly they gonna start feeling cheated and the game isn't going to be fun anymore.

All I wanna say here is --> please read the rulebook and understand every inch of it. If there's any question, just ask for clarifications, (when I'm confused on a thing or two, I always consult the people around me). That would help us all greatly in all games, not only in a competitive environment.

1 more to add regarding wound allocation on multiple wounds unit is still possible.
now the rules focuses on model basis and initiative step.

so when I have let's say 4 spawns in combat with a bunch of marines all in base contact.
Spawn A: 2 wounds left
Spawn B: 1 wounds left
Spawn C: 3 wounds left
Spawn D: 1 wounds left

When the marines dealt 2 wounds at their Initiative 4, controlling player gets to choose which model to assign the wounds. So I could have the 2 wounds assigned to Spawn C instead of B or D having the least wounds. When my turn to strike, I will still have 4 spawns striking. Same goes for Instant Death. Previous edition we have to assign the ID wound to a full wound model if possible. But not anymore in 6th ed. So I could assign the ID wound either Spawn B or D which only have 1 wound each.

Of all the things LordAK pointed out, only pointed 5 was unknown to me. Yay!

seriously though, it's a good opportunity for learning. Which is why I guess the tourney was only 1,500pts.

After years of 5th ed, we are just starting to come to terms with 6th. I still declare all my charges first, cuz that was a sticky point in 5th...

Yup.. Joe is right. Allocation still works, though very much limited compares to the previous ed.

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I still declare all my charges first, cuz that was a sticky point in 5th...

It shouldn't be a problem in 5th because there's no Overwatch. But now (in situations where there's more than one chargers), defenders have to decide wether he want's to Overwatch at the 1st unit or the next one (although not yet declared, he knows is coming). That is kind of a gamble coz if he don't Overwatch, and the 1st unit succesfully cover the distance --> He cannot perform Overwatch to the 2nd chargers. That's why the sequence is important.

While its prim and proper that everyone should know the rules and i totally agree that we 'should' know the rules before playing, some of us just want to have fun playing casual games and to roll some dice. While playing competitively and following/abusing rules may be fun for some of you who are at best, a minority, please understand that most of us are in this hobby to have our own fun. Do not expect all of us to share and understamd your definition of fun. However, bearing that in mind, if you want to play the game, FFS please try to read and understand the rules.

I understand where the frustrations are coming from in terms of understanding of rules but I think tolerance is very much needed in our community (esp from the senior members) and if you think you are not gonna enjoy playing with the other person, then don't. Find another whom you think you will have fun with.

Please take my comments with a pinch of salt as i only ever had ONE game in 6th ed and made tonnes of mistake in it. So yeah, what do i know rite?

sometimes during tournaments people tend to be "in the zone" and get a wee bit competitive which is fine since that is what a tournament is and should be... For the casual gamer they should know that you are entering a competitive landscape where its now for the win.

I don't actually play to win. I play to play... but I believe that that is my stance and if I play with another I should accommodate his style of play. Meaning as much as I am a casual gamer If I enter a tournament I should learn my shite... And vs a new guy I help or even suggest a move/rules for him to understand the game better.

A good example of someone like this is our chosen, when I first started 6th ed even after a few games he gave me leeway when I did something wrong, even gave me tactical advice during a game, which ironically lead me to be a better DE player... But with that said in a tourney scene, that should not be the case even vs newbs as you are in a tournament, its a different environment and you have to expect some form of temporary competitive hostility from some players as they are there to win. Congrats again mr chosen!


BTW no 5 was new to me Thanks for that lol

BTWx2 appologies for my awol was working till 5am that saturday morn..

our chosen is awesome lar. i still cannot forget (and have recurring nightmares) on my 2nd ever 40k game. he trashed my 1k list so badly (with abbadon, oblits, land raider, khorne bezerkers) that i spent around 2 whole months reading up the rulebook and trawling the internet for tacticas.

it was part of the plan to make you pick up the game faster ma.

actually depending on the opponent, i do allow my opponents to re-track movements or decisions even in tournament scene. so not necessary everyone has to be highly competitive in tournament environment. sometimes just have to be the first to give in order to receive later in unexpected ways.

thanks pax for the compliments. *blush*
but still gonna kick your sorry DE ass.

Dr-DOOOM!!! wrote:

so not necessary everyone has to be highly competitive in tournament environment. sometimes just have to be the first to give in order to receive later in unexpected ways.

spoken like a true champion BY a true champion.

As I remember from past exp looking at Azlan's & Rizal's (his brother) games, as well as fighting them myself, I did learn a lot of things regarding playing during a tournament.

There are a lot of things which I can't possibly list them all. Some that I do remember are:

1. nobody should interfere/comment/give 'sage' advice to the players while they are 'fighting' - onlookers should just look/observe & be silent (that goes to other players from other tables & judges too..)

I remember Azlan's words to me "Shhh..this is a tournament.."


2. if you've forgotten to do any kind of actions during your turn & the game has already moved on to the other player turn, then that's too bad, you cannot rewind..just like playing chess in a tournament.

What were those words that he always said again?..Ah yeah.."It's a learning experience."


What else eh? If I recall them, maybe I'll put them here..

Congrats on your win Joe!!

@CikguDin : Yup I remember you scolded me to be quite back in 2004 when I suggested something to you during your semi-final match against Chris. It is the most appropriate thing to do for onlookers. Be silent, and enjoy the sight.

@Yip : Abbusing rules is wrong. But following rules is a must.

LordAK wrote:

@Yip : Abbusing rules is wrong. But following rules is a must.

give you an example. deploying a transport, say a land raider or DE raider, sideways and as forward as possible, and then pivoting during the movement phase to get a few inches more to move further upfield. (i usually face this in 5th ed. not sure if it still happens in 6th)

how about another example, about 2 different 'specialist weapons' (PF and LC) gaining an extra attack..

following rules? definately yes.

abusing rules? this becomes very subjective. to me its a yes. to others maybe not since the rules are being followed to the hilt. but of course i will still allow it in my game. as much as i disagree, i will strive not to let such incidences spoil the rest of the game. rather than spend time arguing bout it, i rather spend the time strategising.

but by no means i am saying i am absolutely correct and practices what i preach everytime. to give an example, i saw our own chosen 'running' a rhino during an assault phase yesterday against Edward. i was sitting there thinking if i was his opponent, i may have disallowed him from doing so. what i want to say is, if mistakes like this could happen to the 'best' of us, why cant it happen to the rest of us? (hehehehehe, sorry joe )

also, at the same time, i was giving unsolicited advice to Edward as well. Joe could have told me to STFU but he did not. i realised my error while driving back so hence i would like to apologise to The Chosen if i disrupted the game in any way yest.

bottomline is, everybody will have complaints one way or another about rules, people, environment etc, but in the spirit of 'muhibbah' its just a game and lets all try to have fun and not gripe about minor things like this.

just my 2 cents and i am done on this topic.

on a side note, my new year's hobby resolution is to beat the Chosen with a fully painted army. if i cant beat him, at least i still have a painted army. so its kind of a win-win scenario..

@Yip: Oi! don't drag me into this. -___-

Everyone has their own description of fun. So let's get along now. No point forcing own opinion on another. There is no right or wrong here.

So we are ending this discussion here. I say so cause I'm the CHOSEN.