Ravenwing 1850

Haven't seen these guys in awhile, and I think it's time I brought them up to 1850. My Ravenwing for the past 5 years have always been all-bike, and the second list below actually has land speeders. What do you guys think?

List 1. All-bike
HQ:
Sammael
Ravenwing command squad (5) - standard of devastation, narthecium, 1x rw grenade launcher

Troops:
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist n melta bombs
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist n melta bombs
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist n melta bombs
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist n melta bombs
Attack bike w multimelta

Fast attack:
Ravenwing black knights (6) - 1x rw grenade launcher, hunt master w power weapon n meltabombs


List 2: w land speeders
HQ:
Sammael
Ravenwing command squad (5) - standard of devastation, narthecium, 1x rw grenade launcher

Troops:
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist n melta bombs
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist n melta bombs
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist n melta bombs
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (3) - vet sgt

Fast attack:
Ravenwing support squadron - 2x Land Speeder Typhoon, 1x Land Speeder
Ravenwing black knights (6) - 1x rw grenade launcher, hunt master w power weapon n meltabombs

I always think that PFist+MBombs a bit redundant. So I would go either PFist+Combis (can your Sgts take it?) OR PWeapon+Meltabombs.

List one is better I think.

p/fist + meltabombs are somewhat redundant, I would agree. In fact, the old versions of the list gave melta bombs only to the guys with power swords. It's just that there were some points leftover in the first list, and I copied and paste most of the second list.

List 1 is what I'm more used to - all bikes!!! But list 2 has more long-range shooty to support the bikes

I went back to see what I can fit if the melta bombs go away - and voila! Another Typhoon launcher:

HQ:
Sammael
Ravenwing Commadn Squad (5) - standard of devastation, narthecium, 1x rw grenade launcher

TROOPS:
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (6) - 2x meltaguns, vet sgt w powerfist
Attack bike w multimelta
Ravenwing attack squadron (3)

FAST ATTACK:
Ravenwing support squadron - 3x Land Speeder Typhoon
Ravenwing black knights (6) - 1x rw grenade launcher, hunt master w power weapon n meltabombs

This one looks good.

What is your thought on the Deathshroud Speeder. Having mobile Stealth/Shrouded seems like good addition to bikers.

It's not bad at all. Will probably try out the concept first. 3+ cover save always on is pretty good. Trouble is, RW squads are small and may not be able to take full advantage of it. Need to test first