Guardians of Alaitoc 1850

Based on the very painful lesson vs Tau, I come to some conclusions: Guardians are awesome! But they need protection to get them into lethal range safely. Jetbikes, especially w Warlock protection and Farseer fortune, are insanely great. A squad of 3 Vypers is harder to kill than you think. And it's very hard to choose between the Falcon and Prism. Prism is cheaper, but the Falcon has so many shots! Anyways, here's my second 1850 Guardian list:

HQ:
Farseer Lahnn the lith-slayer - jetbike, singing spear
Warlock - jetbike, singing spear

Elites:
Striking Scorpions (10) - Exarch w scorpion's claw, crushing blow, monster hunter

Troops:
Guardians (11) - scatter laser
Wave Serpent - brightlances, holofield

Guardians (11) - starcannon
Wave Serpent - brightlances, holofield

Guardians (10) - starcannon

Jetbikes (6) - 2x shuriken cannon

Fast Attack:
Warp Spiders (8 ) - Exarch w twin-linked spinners, fast shot
Vypers (3) - each w scatter laser, shuriken cannon
Crimson Hunter - no exarch (!)

Heavy Support:
Falcon - pulse laser, scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holofield

You know how good the Serpent with Scatlass nowadays kan. They have more dakka than a dakka pred, and all is twin-linked! Why not? Oh I see.. you don't have much anti tank either hahaha.

Uh, yes  Plus, my wave serpent custom turrets already have bright lances on them. Funny enough, this list actually has about the same amount of anti tank as the Ranger one. In fact, this list is actually more brittle than the Ranger list. But fast! And style!

Those serpents are good anti-tankers with their BOW attacks!

You could destroy anything up to armour 12 with ease. Plus no cover saves!!!

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But fast! And style!

Anything can.. as long as stylo  Your elder is Korean ah?

We should do a rematch. I learn some new things too... SMS is god send... and i need to boost more reliable markerlight deliveries. My OP ness kinda got blocked in turn 3 onwards which made things a bit annoying... tau has amazing weapons but surely cant hit for shit.

Ya, once I nullified your markerlights, the shooting slightly less scary

Finally tried this list vs Faizal's Space Wolves. It was Scourging on the long table set up in a woodland terrain. As is obvious, this army fights in a totally different style from the Ranger Force.

The first thing we noticed is the sheer speed! In 1 turn, the Farseer and his jetbike squad, followed closely by a Wave Serpent, were already in the enemy's zone on the far side of the field! Crazy. They were so fast it made the Warp Spiders look slow and they were left behind only to be shot up by some really pissed of Long Fangs.

And it was the first time I really saw the power of shuriken weapons, especially when combined with the sheer firepower of the army. Terminators deep striking in a drop pod were gunned down mercilessly by Guardians, Vypers and a Falcon. The outflanking Striking Scorpions actually took out their intended target by using shuriken pistols! The Farseer and his jetbike squad likewise gunned down Long Fangs w shuriken firepower and a deadly casting of psychic shriek. And after the Vypers and Falcon took care of the Termies, they repositioned (w classic Eldar speed and elegance) and shot up a Grey Hunter squad skulking in some woods, killing 7 in one round.

And Fortune combined with the Warlock's new conceal is insane. The Farseer's jetbike squad actually survived a hail of fire fire from 3 full Grey Hunter squads. 2 bikers died, but to survive such a hail of fire was quite incredible. Plus I got lucky with my warlord trait roll and the Farseer and his squad was able to split fire, quite useful if you consider that the seer and the warlock each has a singing spear.

The Crimson Hunter didn't do as well as in the other game, severely damaging a dreadnought (which was finished off by a Wave Serpent). Given the limited number of weapons on the jet, I missed the superior marksmanship of the Exarch.

And the Scorpions' Exarch showed how dangerous he was by slaying the enemy lord in a challenge (he got lucky, 3 hits, 3 wounds, 3 failed invulnerable saves - he rolled 3 3s).

We actually stopped the game at turn 3 because it was late. But it was awesome! I'm going to now try and fit in Fire Prisms. That should be cool.

Ok, here's the new list w Fire Prisms. Had to take out the spiders and holofields. Let's see how this works out:

HQ:
Farseer - singing spear, jetbike
Warlock - singing spear, jetbike

Elites:
Striking Scorpions (10) - exarch w scorpion's claw, monster hunter

Troops:
Guardians (10) - starcannon
Wave Serpent - twin-linked brightlances
Guardians (10) - starcannon
Wave Serpent - twin-linked brightlances
Guardians (10) - starcannon
Jetbikes (6) - 2x shuriken cannon

Fast Attack:
Vypers (3) - scatter lasers, shuriken cannons
Crimson Hunter - NO exarch

Heavy Support:
Fire Prism
Fire Prism
Falcon - pulse laser, scatter laser, shuriken cannon

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And it was the first time I really saw the power of shuriken weapons, especially when combined with the sheer firepower of the army. Terminators deep striking in a drop pod were gunned down mercilessly by Guardians, Vypers and a Falcon

Told you guys before (in other thread).. Even Termies isn't safe from shurikens

As for the new list, drop the Falcon lah. Dark Reapers are more scary!

Give it a try first I think. For 5 reapers the price could be their own doom tho.

Ya kah?.. I thought must be about the same price hahaha.. But damn good they are against both Infantries (no cover) and Skimmers (no Jink).

@Lord Ak, reapers only ignore jink saves, cover saves are still there. Ed's reapers ignored cover cuz of their tau allies.

isnt jink considered cover save? or does it purely say ignore jink only?

non non non non...
it only ignores 'jink' saves, unlike hive guards who ignore all cover saves (except for standing in a piece of terrain which lies between them and the hive guard)

The difference? Smoke launchers can save you against reapers. They don't do anything against hive guards.

ah ok lol

moral of the story guna la SMS.

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@Lord Ak, reapers only ignore jink saves, cover saves are still there.

Oh ya kah.. So infantries do have cover against them.. hurray!

Reapers are awesome aspect warriors. In my Ranger list. I run 6, including exarch s missile launcher, fast shot, flakk. And Illic joins this squad, so they got shroud, infiltrate and split fire. Combined w guide, this massacred Faizal's 2 Long Fang squads, and then some. Real scary stuff. Also expensive - almost twice the cost of a Falcon.

But this Guardian army theme is supposed to employ more tanks (guardian crew) for support. The only aspects being ultra-specialists - close combat (scorpions) and air superiority (crimons).

crimons.. must be some kind of shrimps I think hahaha..

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Also expensive - almost twice the cost of a Falcon

What the?.. gila expensive!!

How was Illic.. has he been doing anything uber awesome? Like ID-ing a DPrince perhaps.. He comes cheap at 140 pts.

Dark Reapers are worth it, so far.

Illic's value is really tactical multiplier. He joins a unit of 6 Dark Reapers w Exarch, giving them infiltrate, shroud and split fire. Infiltrating or outflanking w Dark Reapers is always good, as you can pick and choose your spot after the enemy deploys your targets, um, his units. If you deploy in ruins, your dark reapers suddenly have 2+ cover save. And split fire allows your unit to shoot up infantry while the exarch can let loose 2 krak missiles at armor (or flyers, since he's got flakk). Also, Illic allows you take Pathfinders. They are expensive, but with stealth and shroud, and sharp shot, they're annoying. I have one squad of those. Illic's shooting so far has been ok la. He managed to cause wounds on a couple of characters, but so far no 6 to wound yet.

Definitely recommend Illic if you're going for Ranger Force.

You sums up Illic real nice.. simple and precise. I've tried him twice. He pen a Land Raider but that's all hahaha..

that surely sound like an awesome game for u. really need to find time so i could go down and have a game with you.

You sure or not.. Eldar scares me silly you know hahaha..

kalau si Illic join dgn dark reaper ada ka dorang dpt hatred & preffered enemy (necron)?

Yup.. boleh lah tu. Take what you can