6th ED official discussion thread

hello, of coz when he is single, he's not an IC la. he's a MC Character as per the appendix in the rulebook. So still subject to character rules when fighting alone la.

So which should you follow, the appendix of the rulebook or FAQ?

Fyi, there's no IC in the appendix for any entry, there's only (ch). Which could mean either it's an IC or Character. In the case of the Hive Tyrant, since the appendix may be misleading to thinking it's an IC all the time, the FAQ makes it clear that he's an IC only when he is with a unit of TGs.

both appendix and FAQ. the faq doesn't say ignore the entry in appendix.
and the faq only states that it acts like an IC when join the tyrant guards.

so when he's alone, he's a Ch.

Mmm, I'll give you that, but that just means I'll win combat against a simple Sergeant when I kill him because nobody else can hit me at that turn. Hahahah.

then the sergeant just has to refuse the challenge?

Then I get to kill the other models while his power-fist sergeant sits idly watching his men die. Don't forget the consequence of refusing a challenge.

i could kill my sergeant and fall back

That's if you fail your test and I couldn't sweeping advance you, then again if I know I can kill more than a sergeant, I won't be the one issuing a challenge.

The new wound allocation would also mean you can't directly allocate wounds on your sergeant beside using "Look out, sir!", if you don't want a one on one fight.

I meant if you challenged the sergeant i would gladly accept. You kill the sergeant then the squad falls back thanks to combat tactics.

On the other hand you don't challenge the sergeant then, the squad takes the brunt of the attack then the sergeant hits back with a power weapon and hopefully gives you a wound then the squad falls back thanks to combat tactics.

Only problem with this is there are not enough marines in the squad to pull this off or that the squad might get swept but thanks to the new 'and they shall know no fear' rules the squad no longer suffers from the 'no retreat' rule and get stuck in another round of combat.

The main point is, does a 200 point tyrant really want to lock a squad of marines in combat when it can be doing other more interesting things like flying around and being a gigantic flying pain in the ass?

Question: Is the Sanguinor, Mephiston, Masque of Slaanesh a 'character' for the purpose of challenges? From what I understand, they are not ICs and are considered units in their own right, and can never be challenged / or challenge.

chilliaddict wrote:

The main point is, does a 200 point tyrant really want to lock a squad of marines in combat when it can be doing other more interesting things like flying around and being a gigantic flying pain in the ass?

If a Hive Tyrant is on its own, it is NOT A CHARACTER. If he's with Tyrant Guards, he's treated as an IC, but the Guards will likely tear apart the marines, even if the Tyrant is locked in CC with a Sergeant

huh? a lone hive tyrant is a character la.

is he? must hv missed that part in the rulebook... are MCs considered characters now?! 0.0

Not all. Have to refer to rulebook appendix. Surprisingly Wraithlord is also a MC Character. lol

nuts. I was hoping a Carnifex was an MC Character so I can hv fun challenging commanders and sergeants

chilliaddict wrote:

I meant if you challenged the sergeant i would gladly accept. You kill the sergeant then the squad falls back thanks to combat tactics.

I'd never challenge a weak character unless it's someone else like Dante or a very important character. I was before in the opinion that the Hive Tyrant wasn't a character, so I couldn't be challenged, I didn't want to be challenge by weak sergeants but that's not the case.

chilliaddict wrote:

On the other hand you don't challenge the sergeant then, the squad takes the brunt of the attack then the sergeant hits back with a power weapon and hopefully gives you a wound then the squad falls back thanks to combat tactics.

That is if you don't fail sweeping advance then. And also you lost during my assault phase, you wouldn't want to fall back when it's about to be my turn, right?

chilliaddict wrote:

Only problem with this is there are not enough marines in the squad to pull this off or that the squad might get swept but thanks to the new 'and they shall know no fear' rules the squad no longer suffers from the 'no retreat' rule and get stuck in another round of combat.

You mean they don't they take 'no retreat' but still get stuck in combat right?

chilliaddict wrote:

The main point is, does a 200 point tyrant really want to lock a squad of marines in combat when it can be doing other more interesting things like flying around and being a gigantic flying pain in the ass?

This would be a situational discussion then, I was talking about this event in isolation. There are some reasons I would rather be locked in combat with a weak unit, ie. there are potential anti-tank weaponry all around me and this particularly unit is all I can do to save my ass from it OR probably because my other units are not here yet and I'm the main target for the opponent, very subjective.

Hey anyone notice that the Blood Chalice now only affects units from Codex: Blood Angels?

Meaning Corbulo and Sanguinary Priests can't give allies FNP and Furious Charge

Yea, noticed that loooooong ago dude.

In regards to Challenges. Yea, my last game with Edward had my Bloodthirster assaulted a unit of Assault Marines. He challenged with his Sergeant. So I could only deal 1 wound. We should have some rule like Fantasy called OverKill to gain more combat results.

In the other hand, taking advantage of this challenge rule, if a CC tooled up model charged my unit of 5 Crypteks. I just send 1 Cryptek each time in challenge. So max opponent can win is by 1 and I can easily pass with Ld 9 with a Chrono's reroll. And not to mention the one died gets to come back! GAY-NESS!!! hahahahahaha.

Dr-DOOOM!!! wrote:

In the other hand, taking advantage of this challenge rule, if a CC tooled up model charged my unit of 5 Crypteks. I just send 1 Cryptek each time in challenge. So max opponent can win is by 1 and I can easily pass with Ld 9 with a Chrono's reroll. And not to mention the one died gets to come back! GAY-NESS!!! hahahahahaha.

there's a flipside to this la... your unit of S8 AP2 crypteks are locked for a very very long time.

at least won't die lor. Another good example will be Ork nob squad. Since all of them Characters. If a BloodThirster charge into them, I can tie him up for a very loooooooooooooooong time. Hehe.

I dunno if Nobz wanna challenge... after all, there can only be 10 of them. 1 die means -2 Ld check, sweeping advance would kill them all kan?

On the other hand, if they stay their ground and all fight (assuming got at least 2-3 PKlaw Nobz), means at least some amount of P Klaws can find their mark and kill through sheer weight of numbers...

So, now that we know this... imagine if the Bloodthirster challenged instead...

I guess the Challenge rule can work both ways. To help the less superior in CC to survive.

Yes I agree with Dann, unless your unit is suppose to tarpit MCs, I think a lot of its potential to kill other units is lost.

Imagine everything around the Nob units die and they are still issuing challenges to the MC, one by one.

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hey very quickly, cuz i don't have the rulebook with me at the moment... can flyers be hit by blast weapons?